I'll add at least 2 boardwipes ad have at least 6 target removal spells. Casting these spells requires access to plentiful black mana. We all know how good Phyrexian Arena can be. Merciless Eviction is one of the best removal spells in the game. ), ( Temur Ascendancy would be reason alone to run five colors and be utterly fantastic in this deck. The secret is to take the creature type out of the equation and evaluate the cards on their own first and then inside the deck. It is also known as the Machine Hell and the Nine Hells.3 As a yet unnamed plane, Phyrexia was created by an ancient evil planeswalker.4 Little is known ⦠Since this is a lifegain deck, this card gives me two really strong options with an easy to manage X cost - and straight up artifact and enchantment removal. Phyrexia, all day erryday. 10.00 - 15.99 As such, please consider switching commanders :) I think that if you want Brion Stoutarm as the commander, you should make a Brion deck. and pack some premium removal in the deck to raise the power level. In 1v1 EDH (using the proper banlist of course) Phyrexian Arena is amazing while Rhystic Study is just kind of annoying. Syphon Mind is a great rate and has the upside of making your opponents discard. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. That being said the main reason you run out of cards is that your mana curve is very low and you probably manage to cast many cards per turn. Counterspells are very much not Giant/Stompy but I have a few aggro decks that run a silver-bullet copy of Negate or Swan Song just as anti-boardwipe tech. Another couple of suggestions! Tl;DR depends on the deck and level of play. If you're trying to win as fast as possible, then you can simply read those cards and tell they are not what you want. Gontilordofmtg Thanks for commenting! I think I see the value of just drawing a card, but how about searching/filtering effects? Liesa, Angel of Punishment [PRIMER] Help | Have you ever been stabbed in the back? SirHipHopHippo on "At the beginning of your upkeep" Tribal 1 day ago. by fragarach97, Rainbow in the Dark: Haakon Reanimator Combo Terms of Use | If you know in advance that you're up against grindier type of decks (Tasigur and Derevi come to mind), Phyrexian Arena should be fine. With Necropotence and Solitary Confinement will damage prevention happen? Boros Charm, Golgari Charm, and Wrap in Vigor work well in that capacity. Did not include that in price, roughly $35 value. maybe Pyramid of the Pantheon or Chromatic Orrery this speeds and mana fixes you. Vedalken Orrery is a very popular card, as evidenced by its appearance in 14,588 decks on EDHREC. Arena is much easier to support than Necropotence, and by support I mean your deck's ability to cast either spell with regularity. Well, luckily this one is one of the easiest to find budget upgrades for because several great ones exist. In my The Locust God i go on quantity, in my Alela, Artful Provocateur i go on quality. Blue also has all the card-draw--from per-turn stuff like Kumena's Awakening and Mind Unbound; chunks of cards like Concentrate, Treasure Cruise, Fact or Fiction, Fathom Trawl, and Tidings; huge hand-refillers like Overflowing Insight, Mind Spring, Stroke of Genius, and Pull from Tomorrow; and some sneaky stuff like Windfall, Keep Watch, Drawn from Dreams, Verity Circle, and Insight. I can see it being quite impactful in a gy heavy build, but it doesn't play nice with a deck relying on many counters. I would play Phyrexian Arena in pretty much any 1v1 deck with black in it, but I would never play Rhystic Study. But is it ever legitimate to not run it in a deck with black in it, specifically a mono-black deck? The Arena sticks around and provides continual card advantage. Zetalpa, Primal Dawn is such a heavy beater in this deck - with 5 keywords, Akroma gives +5/+5, making Zetalpa a bare minimum of 18 damage with no blockers. mono black suicide deck with [[Syr Konrad, the Grim]] About quanity vs quality of tokens/creatures in general it depends on what you can get better. It just gets removed pretty quickly. Phyrexian Arena The perennial favourite of black decks for card draw is one that, despite a few reprints, has kept its cost in the $5-$8 range. If you want to win consitenly I would add more ways to produce infinte mana like Nim Deathmantle + Priest of Gix + Ashnod's Altar or Magus of the Coffers + Staff of Domination OR another unigue and complicated way to filter infinite colorless mana with Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth is together with Mirage Mirror and a Swamp... To make the whole thing more consistent you have play all green and black tutors, play fast mana like the Moxes, Mana Crypt/-Vault, Manadorks (Elvish Mystic/Elves of Deep Shadow/Llanowar Elves etc. I also prefer Read the Bones over Phyrexian Arena I find it to be quicker. Discord Server | That is when Phyrexian Arena and Dark Confidant shine. Rush of Knowledge would be REALLY good in a giant-tribal deck--especially with Morophon, the Boundless at the helm. I play it in all my decks and have never been disappointed with casting it. Honestly, I really can't recommend it enough if true Giant-Tribal is the goal--whether Naya giants or five-color giants. If they dont answer him the following turn you can expect the game to be in your favor by a lot. Browse through cards from Magic's entire history. The first time around, I concluded that Exotic Orchard ⦠Privacy statement | I take care of my possessions. by LautrecLautrec. For example, a vanilla 2/2 vampire can get to be a 5/5 thanks to lord effects, but without is just a 2/2 doing nothing else nor helping building up your strategy. 10.00 - 15.29 What is the general consensus here about those cards? June 9, 2017 by Rick Amundson . maybe Rampant Growth. Sure there's Resurrection and Reya Dawnbringer, but they aren't great. At the beginning of your upkeep, you draw a card and you lose 1 life. Welcome to Superior Numbers, where I try to do some numerical analysis on the popularity of a card using more math and less snark than in my usual column. See cards from the most recent sets and discover what players just like you are saying about them. Its a turn 2 play if you get Sol ring. In Garruk's Wake and Decree of Pain are probably good in your giant deck since you're ramping so hard. If you were building around Brion's ability and had some giants around as support that would be one thing, but it seems that's not the goal. EDH Recommendations and strategy content for Magic: the Gathering Commander. Since you're running White you shouldn't need Black's wraths, but those two stood out. The problem here is that i don't believe honestly that many of those creatures are actually impactfull. This is on top of the superior ramping ability of Green and it's above-average removal options. Really accelerates my combos or fills my hand with control cards. G o n t i l o r d o f m t g Thanks for commenting! Then again it might not draw any cards when you top deck it turn 4. No, I havenât had someone put a knife in my spine either, but having a friend betray you at the last moment is devastating. My deck essentially plays archenemy versus 3 friends every game. In faster tables, tapping out on turns 2-4 for a card that doesn't do anything till your next upkeep is dangerous (you kind of need a FoW in hand to do this). EDIT: I forgot Bob. Thanks to your comment, I can see more of the potential of Ishkanah. and draw. I am wondering if you would ever run those cards in a high power combo deck for draw redundancy and inevitability. I agree on Cavalier of Night - overall while it is a great card, I don't think it fits. Phyrexian Arena ( Mystery Booster, # 730 ) Choose Other Printing (10 Total) ... Legal Legacy: Legal Vintage: Legal Commander (EDH): Legal Brawl: NotLegal Draft: Legal Cube: Legal Tiny Leaders: Legal Pauper: NotLegal Singleton: Legal Oathbreaker: Legal Fat Stack: Legal Prismatic: Legal Vanguard: Legal Historic: Legal Other: Legal: I would add a few more lands to make space I'd remove Zetalpa, Primal Dawn, Heliod's Intervention, and Cavalier of Night the mana curve looks a little high for the land count. Read the Bones is a one time effect. Can conditionally draw you a lot of cards in a small amount of time. So during my play tests, I am starting to feel cards such as arena, rhystic study and bob don't belong in a competitive setting. My deck can't consistently pull off t4 wins - I believe its the problem with having to rely on tooth n nail entwined, so I was using arena and bob as a crutch to carry me through mid game. I think Night's Whisper and Sign in Blood are actually better though, since they do on turn 2 what Bob would do by turn 4 at the cost of much less life. This site © 2020 TappedOut.net, LLC Most of what you would need I can trade to you, including Morophon, the Boundless, and most supplemental cards I don't have are in the 25-cent to $1 range (Realm-Cloaked Giant, Mayael the Anima, etc). =). Commander Decks. Contact | If you have free deckslots, you could use some card draw/late game gas and you're in these colors – play them. However, in a Stax deck or something that goes for the long game and wins through resource denial, attrition and shear card advantage, Phyrexian Arena is very strong and Rhystic Study is usually good. Clipboard (0 Cards) Card Kingdom: $0.00. Mono-Black EDH commander deck custom, Yawgmoth, Thran Physician. DMCA requests | Can show more photos upon request. I actually have a shitload of this utility stuff on-hand, and you have some great staples like Cyclonic Rift on-hand--and probably more! With tribal decks you may fall in the mistake that a card of the chosen type is always just fine, because you have some synergy here and there. As you can see, there is a myriad of reasons to run more colors. Search for the perfect addition to your deck. Some are stinkers of course. Black doesn't provide too much in the way of utility specific to giant tribal or stompy decks other than recursion and good card draw like Greed, Phyrexian Arena, and Erebos, God of the Dead. It doesn't have to be competitive to be fun, but it doesn't have to be expensive to work better and smoother and be more competitive. I get that you may don't want to erase the board completely but you probably don't need so many creatures and basically one-two removals. Kills planeswalkers such as Jace and Tezzeret. TCGplayer: $0.00. Unfulfilled Desires - Gatherer, MC, ($)[[cardname]] to call - not on gatherer = not ^^^fetchable. Clear. I'll explain myselft better, you need to see if you can manage to make a ton of small tokens or if you can manage better to make big ones. I'm finding this discussion very interesting and learning a lot. I wanted to try something new so I took my existing Meren deck, added ⦠There is an article (I think Adam Styborski) about not drawing attention to yourself. Usually I get to draw. by Heliogabale, Marchesa Combo One extremely important thing for large-creature decks is to consider how you're going to recover from board wipes. Not all decks want it, but it's more of a tax spell than a card draw engine. It's more like a building your army slowly but surely most of the times. Four or five colors would allow you to run that. With that in mind, suggestions are welcome The goal is to make the deck with 100% Phyrexian flavor. I personally think cards like Phyrexian Arena are always pretty good. A hellish world with an accelerated evolution of artifact creatures. Is that number too high or too low? You have some Cyclonic Rifts in your trade binder, right? People want to do multiple things each turn and they can either do less or let me draw. I don't suggest Phyrexian Arena and friends against only the fastest decks, but in most cases it's fine - in fact Bob is better in those metas, where I think it's less than great in more traditional competitive scenes. Updated Jul 13, 2013 by anarkie751 using our MTG Deck Builder. I want you to be satisfied with your deck! Phyrexian Arena is an attrition card that gets better the more cards it replaces itself with. 10.95 - 18.59 Rhystic Study is an odd card. That is hard to pass up! Rarity, #: R, 47 Card Type: Enchantment Description: At the beginning of your upkeep, you draw a card and you lose 1 life. Commander Usage. Around these parts, that's often referred to as "hyperfast" metas. I was wondering if a card like [[Unfulfilled Desires]] is just not worth running in a more competitive build? That means that ONLY cards related to Phyrexia will be included. He brings nothing to the table for giant tribal other than being a decently-statted Giant himself and pigeonholes you into the worst color pair in EDH for essentially no benefit. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Phyrexian Arena: Low cost of 1 life/card/turn. Dark Confidant: One of the strongest form of card advantage in creature based builds (think of Food Chain Prossh). The only bone I have with it is the mana required, along with the fact you have to pay life. Urban Evolution would be good in a big-mana deck like this. Iâm throwing in the blue Ultimate Guard Box with 20 six sided dice. I had the same problem with my first attempt to The Scarab God deck where i put in a lot of zombies that in the long term don't do enough. You may have to reconsider some choices in the creature compartment imo. Export to Archidekt. Garruk's Uprising alone is reason to run at least Green. Not necessary though. I used to have a deck list, but took that deck apart some time ago I'm afraid! Superior card-draw from Green, Black, and Blue cards will help immensely. These are things that Red and White simply can't do well. 8.99 - 999.99 Arena is pretty average 97-100th card can easily see it not in most decks, I'd much rather use those spots for artifact removal if you play in the multiplayer banlist. Painful Truths might still be useful due to it's great rate (three cards for three mana is good). Do it! Dark Confidant is almost the epitome of a competitive card. EDH Recommendations and strategy content for Magic: the Gathering Commander. About the card draw, you need more consistent cards that allows you to draw many times. I really like the direction of these two partners! I've considered adding the red siege enchantment, but I typically rely on Golos and hardly cast cards from my hand, nor top of the deck. Look for cards like Phyrexian Arena and similar. While counter spells are non existent, they are still capable of using removal to deal with my chron / deadeye. Arena is guaranteed card draw and is useful all game, but Rhystic Study does not guarantee card draw and is almost useless past turn 6 or so (depending on the deck). Obviously Black specializes in removal (but so does White!) Necropotence is a draw engine and win condition due to how far back it can set your opponents in terms of card advantage, especially if they're under stax effects. Phyrexian Arena from Apocalypse for . Perhaps I should make another thread for this post. 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